Legislature(2003 - 2004)

05/01/2003 03:15 PM House MLV

Audio Topic
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
HB 185-RENAMING DEPT. MILITARY/VETERANS AFFAIRS                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  announced that the  final order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO.  185, "An Act changing the name  of the Department                                                               
of Military and  Veterans' Affairs to the  Department of Military                                                               
and Veterans'  Affairs and Homeland  Security; and  providing for                                                               
an effective date."   [HB 185 was sponsored by  the House Special                                                               
Committee on Military and Veterans' Affairs.]                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1172                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  moved to  adopt the  proposed committee                                                               
substitute  (CS), Version  23-LS0711\S,  Chenoweth, 4/28/03,  for                                                               
discussion purposes.   He opined  that an objection  was required                                                               
in order to put Version S before the committee.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN said he would entertain an objection.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA objected.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG stated, "Then we have it before us."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1212                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JOHN   CRAMER,   Director,  Administrative   Services   Division,                                                               
Department of Military & Veterans' Affairs (DMVA), told members:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     On  behalf  of  the  commissioner  of  our  department,                                                                    
     General Craig  Campbell, we want  to thank you  and the                                                                    
     committee members  for your work on  behalf of Alaskans                                                                    
     and  for bringing  forward  this committee  substitute.                                                                    
     Basically, this legislation  complements the governor's                                                                    
     Administrative  Order 203,  establishing the  office of                                                                    
     homeland security [within DMVA]  and setting up some of                                                                    
     those provisions.  It modernizes  Alaska Statute 26 and                                                                    
     brings some  of those  in line with  the needs  that we                                                                    
     have for this  office and for homeland  security in the                                                                    
     state of Alaska. ...  I  think the bill and the sponsor                                                                    
     statement pretty  well [identify] the benefits  and the                                                                    
     need for this bill to go through.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1256                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG announced  that  he'd  been taking  the                                                               
lead on  this and indicated he  and his staff, at  the request of                                                               
the committee, had  tried to send the bill to  various groups for                                                               
review.  He said a number of  groups will want to comment on this                                                               
but haven't had the  chance to do so yet.   He requested that Mr.                                                               
Cramer do a  section-by-section explanation and that  the bill be                                                               
held a  few days in  order to  provide for the  broadest possible                                                               
dissemination.      Noting   that   some   provisions   will   be                                                               
controversial,  he  said he  wanted  the  committee to  have  the                                                               
benefit of  knowing both  sides of  the arguments  and to  try to                                                               
resolve the problems before moving the bill along.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN announced  his intention of taking  testimony that day                                                               
and then  deciding whether to hold  the bill or move  it forward.                                                               
He indicated letters  had just been received  from attorney Wayne                                                               
Ross and the [Alaska Civil Liberties Union (AkCLU)].                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1369                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CRAMER  explained  that  the  bill  has  three  main  parts.                                                               
Revisions to  AS 26.20  update the chapter  and make  the statute                                                               
applicable to  homeland security  as well  as civil  defense, add                                                               
provisions  necessary to  meet current  and  future threats,  and                                                               
repeal obsolete and unnecessary  provisions.  The chapter heading                                                               
is changed from  "civil defense" to "homeland  security and civil                                                               
defense".       Throughout    AS    26.20,   homeland    security                                                               
responsibilities and  authority are added  to the  existing civil                                                               
defense responsibilities and authority  of the governor and DMVA.                                                               
The  bill directs  that  all state  homeland  security and  civil                                                               
defense  functions  be  coordinated   by,  through,  and  at  the                                                               
direction of  DMVA, with  the cooperation  and assistance  of all                                                               
state  agencies.   It establishes  and  enumerates the  statutory                                                               
powers  of the  Division  of Homeland  Security established  this                                                               
year  in DMVA  by  Administration Order 203.   Furthermore,  this                                                               
section's  statutory structure  parallels that  of AS  26.23.040,                                                               
which establishes the Division of Emergency Services.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRAMER  said the  bill authorizes the  governor to  declare a                                                               
state  of emergency  not only  in the  event of  an actual  enemy                                                               
attack against the state, as  presently provided, but also in the                                                               
event of a threat of attack  as determined by the commissioner of                                                               
DMVA  to be  credible.   It  amends the  definitions section,  AS                                                               
26.20.200,  to   add  new  definitions  of   "attack",  "homeland                                                               
security", and "private agency".                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1456                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CRAMER   reported  that  several  bill   sections  eliminate                                                               
obsolete or unnecessary provisions of  AS 26.20.  Foremost is the                                                               
elimination   throughout  the   references   to  "civil   defense                                                               
districts", entities  that DMVA is authorized  to designate under                                                               
AS  26.20.020(b)(11),  and  which  would  have  statutory  powers                                                               
specified in AS  26.20.060.  Noting that  civil defense districts                                                               
have  not been  designated,  he  remarked, "In  this  era, it  is                                                               
preferable  to use  and improve  the existing  emergency planning                                                               
and response  capabilities of municipalities, rather  than create                                                               
new organizations."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRAMER said other housekeeping  provisions in the bill repeal                                                               
specific  inclusion   of  DMVA's  authority  to   take  specified                                                               
measures such  as blackouts or  air-raid drills  without reducing                                                               
DMVA's overall authority to take  measures necessary for homeland                                                               
security and civil defense purposes.   The bill repeals a list of                                                               
specified  purposes for  reciprocal aid  agreements, leaving  the                                                               
specific   purposes  of   such  agreements   to  the   governor's                                                               
discretion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRAMER said  the bill also repeals various  other obsolete or                                                               
unnecessary statutes,  including AS 26.25.050, AS  26.20.060, and                                                               
AS 26.20.070,  which all pertain  to civil defense  districts and                                                               
their  local  organizations;  AS  26.20.080,  authorizing  mobile                                                               
support  units; AS  26.20.090, authorizing  DMVA to  make surveys                                                               
and  investigations  and giving  it  the  power to  subpoena  the                                                               
attendance   of   witnesses    and   production   of   documents;                                                               
AS 26.20.120, providing  that orders  and regulations  adopted by                                                               
the  governor,  DMVA, or  a  district  have  the effect  of  law;                                                               
AS 26.20.130,  providing  that  federal,  state,  and  local  law                                                               
enforcement  authorities  shall  enforce orders  and  regulations                                                               
under AS  26.20; AS 26.20.170, prohibiting  political activity by                                                               
the civil  defense organization;  and AS 26.20.180,  penalizing a                                                               
violation  of  a  regulation  pertaining  to  blackouts,  alerts,                                                               
evacuation  procedures, or  any other  order or  regulation under                                                               
AS 26.20.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1557                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CRAMER addressed  revisions  in the  bill  to AS  26.20.140,                                                               
which  relates  to  immunity  of  the  government  and  employees                                                               
arising  out   of  civil  defense  activities.     Presently,  AS                                                               
26.20.140(a) provides  that the state, a  civil defense district,                                                               
and the  agents or representatives  of the state or  district may                                                               
not be held  liable for injury or property damage  sustained by a                                                               
volunteer  civilian  defense  worker;   the  bill  broadens  that                                                               
immunity  to cover  injury or  property damage  sustained by  any                                                               
homeland   security  or   civilian   defense  worker,   including                                                               
employees as  well as volunteers,  and it  substitutes "political                                                               
subdivision" for "district".                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CRAMER noted  that AS  26.20.140(b) currently  provides that                                                               
the  state  and  any  district established  [for]  civil  defense                                                               
purposes,   their   employees,    agents,   or   representatives,                                                               
authorized  volunteer or  auxiliary  civil  defense workers,  and                                                               
members  of   any  other  agency  engaged   in  civilian  defense                                                               
activities who are  complying with - or  reasonably attempting to                                                               
comply with - AS 26.20 or  an order or regulation issued under AS                                                               
26.20 are not liable for injury  to persons or damage to property                                                               
as a result of their activities.   The bill amends subsection (b)                                                               
to  provide immunity  for homeland  security activities  as well,                                                               
and  to  include  any  homeland   security  or  civilian  defense                                                               
activities undertaken  under authority  of AS 26.20.   Subsection                                                               
(b)  also  currently  provides  an  exception  to  the  grant  of                                                               
immunity in cases of wilful  misconduct, gross negligence, or bad                                                               
faith.   The bill amends  subsection (b) to provide  an exception                                                               
only  when  malice or  reckless  indifference  to the  interests,                                                               
rights,  or safety  of others  is shown  by clear  and convincing                                                               
evidence.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1640                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG remarked that  he'd been concerned about                                                               
subsection (b), page 11, lines 9-21.   He offered his belief that                                                               
this parallels  language in another  immunity bill  the committee                                                               
heard a couple of weeks before.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRAMER said he believed that was correct.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  informed members that at  some point he                                                               
would  move  to strike  page  11,  lines  9-21 [the  entirety  of                                                               
subsection (b)].                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1699                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  expressed  concern about  discussing  the                                                               
bill when so few committee members were present.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN  concurred,  noting  that  only  three  members  were                                                               
present at this  time.  He confirmed that Sam  Johnson and Thomas                                                               
Burgess of DMVA were waiting to testify via teleconference.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  asked to hear their  testimony, even if                                                               
it required repetition  later.  He said this is  a very important                                                               
bill and pointed out that  Representative Cissna may have another                                                               
committee meeting to attend [the next time this is heard].                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1875                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  announced that his  preference was to  hear testimony                                                               
only once  and to schedule a  meeting at some other  time of day.                                                               
[HB 185 was held over.]                                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects